PODCAST | The Importance of Worship Schools in Modern-Day (feat. Lauren Settembrini)

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Transcript:

Kristin Fry

Well, welcome back to the Vanderbloemen Leadership Podcast. I'm Kristin I'm one of the consultants here with Vanderbloemen and I'm talking with Lauren, who is the executive director of 10KFAM, which thank you so much Lauren for being a part of this conversation. I think what 10KFAM is doing right now is very, very crucial to the worship space. So before we even though get into that, I would just love the people listening to hear a little bit about who you even are, what is sound bites of your story, and then how did that lead you to your role at 10K Fam.

Lauren Settembrini

Yeah, so great question. I mean, I've been a music nerd. I've always grown up singing. I've always grown up in church. So for probably a decade back in Atlanta, Georgia, I served as a worship pastor on staff at two different churches, not at the same time. And that led me to get to know 10K Fam. Back then, it was called 10,000 Fathers. And that was back in 2015.

Kristin Fry

Oh! Yes.

Lauren Settembrini

Is when I first, I was basically on staff at a church that hired some of the leaders then around 10K fam to come in and lead worship alongside of them. And so I got to know those guys and went through as a student. And so when I went through worship school, I was already doing the job of a full-time worship leader, but I was also really experiencing a lot of like anxiety, a lot of stuckness in my own journey of being in ministry, especially being a woman in ministry.

Kristin Fry

Hmm.

Lauren Settembrini

And I just, the Lord used 10KFAM in such a massive way in my own journey to just like unlock the way I was thinking about what leadership and life and ministry even looked like. And so I went through the worship school as a student from 2015 to 2016. And then I've stuck with them ever since. It just, it's so massively impacted my own journey, not only as a leader, but like as a human.

How I move through life trying to be a disciple of Jesus and draw others into that. And so it's just, it's been such a formational thing in my own life that I've continued on to, I was a coach, I was a teacher, I have served in other capacities on the team over the years. And then in, I guess, beginning of 2022 became the executive director. And so now I just get to volunteer as a worship leader around New Life Church here in Colorado Springs.

I love getting to do that in a volunteer capacity. And I love getting to do what I do now, which is just making sure that we, as an organization, are sustainable and can keep pouring into leaders the way that I was poured into as a leader myself.

Kristin Fry

Yeah.

Okay, so that's interesting. You said a lot of interesting things that I wanna unpack and hear more about your experience as a student, but before we get to that, back up and talk to us about who started 10K Fam, and then what is 10K Fam? Because I think some of these names will be really familiar to people who are listening.

Lauren Settembrini

Sure. Yeah, so 10KFAM was founded in 2008 by a guy named Aaron Keys. And when it first started, it was very much very organic, not very structured. And at the time, Aaron was doing a lot of traveling and worship leading around the country with his band. And so what worship school looked like at that time was he would just have guys come and live in his basement, just come, be on the road with me, do life with me.

And the school was burst out of pastors going, we need people, like we want worship pastors at our church who are leading the way that you're leading. Like we want people who are valuing this kind of thoughtfulness, this kind of like theological depth and awareness and all of that. And so he was continually getting asked like from pastors, hey, we wanna hire somebody who leads like that. And so how can we do that? And so he's like, well,

There's really no one else trading leaders in these ways right now, so let's do that. So that's how the organization was birthed. It has shifted a lot, obviously, over the course of the years. In 2013, it became like actual corporation. It became a nonprofit. And so for about, it's been 11 years since it's been in its current form of being like an 18-month discipleship school that is this sort of hybrid model of.

Intenses where students come on site to learn stuff, but then we send them back into their context And so like they're not they're not actually coming and moving and doing a residency with us So that's that was the reason it was founded was just this recognition of like Pastors really want their worship leader their worship pastor to be somebody who is truly shepherding their congregation who they can trust Theologically who like these people have studied the Bible and we've just sort of gotten into this the modern contemporary church has gotten into this place of, it's become very normal for us to put a worship leader on stage who hasn't actually had any training like that. And it's really very dangerous, I think. And it's kind of a problem that we at 10KFAM are hoping to solve and to be a resource for churches to get whole healthy, theologically insightful sound leaders up on stage, not just somebody who can sing and play guitar well.

Kristin Fry

Hmm.

Right. Okay. So 10k family, there's a worship school. So for people who might not be familiar with that, when we hear school, we just naturally assume, okay, we attend school full-time for X amount of months or X amount of years. We do nothing else. We live on campus or we live near campus. So that's probably what all of our brains automatically associate the word school with. So when you guys...

Lauren Settembrini

Mm-hmm.

Yep, that's her.

Kristin Fry

Use that word. What does that mean? So let's say a potential student wants to go to worship school. What will that look like for them?

Lauren Settembrini

Yeah, that's great. This is so helpful because honestly, I've been entrenched in it for so long that I say stuff and I'm like, oh right, I forget that other people are not thinking that. Yeah, so thank you for asking that question. Yes, so what our school looks like, we do call it worship school. And I think the two things that are important to know is, one, a lot of times when people hear the word worship school, they think, well, it's for people who want to learn how to be worship leaders. They're not doing it yet and they wanna do that. And so they would come to school to do that.

Kristin Fry

Oh yeah!

Yes.

Lauren Settembrini

That's not really what we, we can talk more about that in a minute, but like that is a little bit of a misnomer in terms of what we do. We primarily train leaders who are actually already worship leaders, not ones who are just hoping to be worship leaders. But also the way that our school works is it's an 18 month, it's really a discipleship journey. It's an 18 month commitment that 18 months is broken up into three six month tracks.

Kristin Fry

Okay.

Lauren Settembrini

Each track has its own focus. And so track one, for the first six months, we focus heavily on character, spiritual formation, biblical interpretation, things like that. Track two is heavily focused on competency. So communicating from stage. We do a lot of songwriting. We have a huge heart for leaders like writing songs for their own congregations. And then track three is, we're like, okay, we've poured into you for a year. Now we're gonna give you some very practical discipleship tools.

To help you go do what we've done in you to the people in your context. And so it's this sending, we call it raising and releasing, right? Our mission statement is raising and releasing spiritual mothers and fathers who creatively shape the future of the church. And so essentially we are bringing leaders into a heavily relational context where they have a coach, they're walked through the entire journey in a huddle of like six to eight people with a coach.

Kristin Fry 

Hmm.

Lauren Settembrini

Who was a seasoned worship leader, almost all of our coaches have masters degrees in worship or some kind of theology. And so it looks very different. It's very much designed to be done on top of a full-time job, life, family. Like, it's not by any means something where we're expecting people to quit their jobs or you need to cut back another area in order to attend worship school. Really the beauty of it is that a lot of the content is...

Kristin Fry 

Okay.

Lauren Settembrini

We find that it's most impactful to be processed in the context of their actual life and ministry. That's why we don't want them to come just fully remove yourself from your life for six months or 18 months or whatever. Be in your life, help us, we'll walk with you through that. We'll journey with you through that. And you get to process the things, the challenges that you're facing in ministry and your family, whatever it is, we get to walk with you in that. And so...

It's very much, it's not a traditional school model, but it is actually accredited. And so our content, like our 18 month content is fully accredited at the master's level. So by the time you finish with us, you're a third of the way through a master of arts and worship degree at two of our partnering schools, Northern Seminary and Visible Music College. So it does actually count as credit, which is amazing, but it doesn't feel like traditional school. You're not like writing 20 page seminary papers, but you're still getting seminary credit.

Kristin Fry 

Oh wow.

Yes.

Lauren Settembrini

So it's kind of awesome.

Kristin Fry 

Right. Oh my gosh, I know partial master's accreditation is very significant. That is a very big deal. Okay, so because they're not going to worship school full-time, do they live near, where are they living?

Lauren Settembrini

Yeah, no, we have students from literally all over the world. We, I mean, I had a guy come in from South Africa in, when it was that November, who graduated. So literally we have students all over the world. We, most of our students are from the US, but all over, West Coast, East Coast, doesn't matter. They only come on site during the intensives. And so at the beginning of each of the six months, there's like a Monday through Friday intensive that is on site here in Colorado Springs.

Kristin Fry 

Okay.

Lauren Settembrini

So they're flying in for that. We do have a fully online version of the school. And so for instance, the guy who just graduated from South Africa, he actually did the full 18 months online and only came in for graduation at the very end. So we're very flexible with how that works. But yeah, we try to time our huddles so that people even overseas are able to be part of the group with people here in the States.

I would say probably 90 to maybe 90-ish percent of our students are in the US. But they're just flying in for that week at the beginning of each of the six months and spending time together and sharing meals and sitting in sessions, receiving lots of content. And it's great community bonding time for the groups. It's really fun for them. So most of our students do experience that fully like on-site version of the school, but.

Kristin Fry 

Okay.

Yeah.

Lauren Settembrini

All of our content is also recorded, so technically you do not even have to leave your house and you could still come through worship school and graduate.

Kristin Fry

Yeah, gosh, technology, it's incredibly convenient. Do you ever have churches who send their worship leader, their worship pastor to your school?

Lauren Settembrini

It really is. Really is.

Absolutely. Yeah, I'd say at any given time probably at least half of our worship leaders who are in worship school Are being sent by their church their church is actually paying for them to come through worship school and it is incredible to see and hear the stories of like I literally talked to a pastor a few months ago who his worship leader is in track two and He is just like he's raving about what growth he's seen in her and just like this. She's really stepping into the her calling and her anointing and there's just so much authority in the way she leads and he like he's seeing the difference after just the first six months with us. And so absolutely, it's something that we really try to encourage pastors to care for your worship pastor in this way, because not only are they getting community without their worship pastors, they're getting spiritual formation, like they're getting

Kristin Fry 

Hmm.

Lauren Settembrini

they're learning how to walk through life more holistically as a better human. It's gonna make them a better leader. It's gonna make them more sustainable in ministry. Like we're caring for these leaders in a very nurturing, safe environment. And they get to go bring that back, walking in their full identity and calling and all of this like back into their contexts. And so just the growth that we see is incredible. And it's always such a huge...

It just, it warms my heart so much to like actually hear from pastors who are seeing this. They're seeing the fruit of this within the first six months of their worship leader. It's really incredible.

Kristin Fry 

Oh, I bet. It also makes me think of, do you ever have students who will come to the school and maybe they are not currently working at a church and they want to be working at a church, their dream is to be a worship pastor at some church and they keep hearing no, dead end, dead end, dead end. So they enroll themselves as just a way to give them more tools to their toolbox. Like how often does that happen and how often does that happen?

Lauren Settembrini

Hahaha

Absolutely.

Yeah, that happens a lot. It happens a lot. So the other half who are not being funded by their churches are exactly in the position you're in. They either they want to be a full-time, many of them will like come in articulating, I would like to be a full-time worship leader. I just haven't had any formal training. We're like, okay, perfect. Like love that. You obviously have the heart of a learner. You want to invest in yourself in this way. Please, yes, like we will walk with you. And...

Kristin Fry 

Yes.

Lauren Settembrini

You know, it's a lot different from like committing to going back to seminary or to going to get a full, like a four-year undergraduate degree in worship or whatever, right? Like we, the ways that we train leaders are certainly different than some of those other types of environments, but because of the high relational capacity that are just the relational nature of what we do, I think there's like a lot of growth happens really quickly. It's within that 18 months. So yes, we absolutely have a lot of students who are exactly what you described. And then there's another group who are like, they volunteer at their church in the worship department and they love worship and they know that that's like a calling on their life, but they wouldn't necessarily have articulated that they ever wanted to do it vocationally. But then they come through worship school and it's like a fire is ignited in them and all of a sudden they're like...

Kristin Fry 

Yeah.

Lauren Settembrini

Maybe I can do this. Like I never thought this was a possibility for me, but now I actually really do. And now I feel like I have the resources to be able to lead and step into that. And so that's a really neat thing to see happen as well. That's honestly like one of my favorite things is when someone comes in thinking, oh no, full-time vocational ministry, maybe not for me. And then by the time they leave, they're just like, I can't believe like how prepared and like passionate I feel about stepping into this. So.

It's really good. But we, I mean, it's a really interesting environment, right, to get people who are not even yet worship leaders who maybe wanna be, and then like, we have worship leaders who've been worship leaders for decades, who just have never really been trained in the ways of like leading a team or multiplying yourself, like those kinds of things. Those are skills that you have to learn. Those are not just natural traits for most people. And so it's really amazing to get leaders from all walks like that.

Kristin Fry 

Oh, wow.

Yes.

Lauren Settembrini

into one space, into huddles together, processing together, doing life together. I think that's why so much learning can occur so quickly because of just how consolidated those kinds of people are in one space. It's really special and it's incredible.

Kristin Fry 

Yes.

I mean, even as you're talking, I can imagine how exponential the growth would be in so many different areas, because in my role, I sit and talk with candidates, worship candidates specifically all the time, as they are applying for different roles, and so we're having conversations. And, you know, more often, I will say, I don't wanna say more times than not, but I will say often, I'm having conversations with these candidates, and I'm thinking, gosh, you're almost there.

Lauren Settembrini

Yeah.

Hmm.

Kristin Fry 

you just have some soft skills that you could really use on or they're wildly talented or they have incredible potential but they've never been in environments that could help bring that out. They were just never exposed to solid leadership. And so I think of those people and how worship school for them would be incredibly life-changing for them to do that, which also makes me think of, okay, so the worship school students, is there a target?

Lauren Settembrini

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Kristin Fry 

age or a target church size or even like a target demographic of who would I guess benefit the most by going to a worship school.

Lauren Settembrini

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it's great. I love it. So we do have an age minimum of 20. So yeah, so we have an age minimum. The reason for that, we don't have an age maximum. We have had people come through in their 50s. And I think we've had some in their 60s, a couple in their 60s. Our most common age range is 20s, 30s, and some early 40s.

Kristin Fry 

Oh.

Thank you.

Lauren Settembrini

We say there's an age minimum because a lot of what we walk through with the spiritual formation, a lot of just understanding how you're wired and a lot of like deep identity work, that kind of stuff, that it takes a level of maturity to be able to engage with that kind of content in a way that's really transformational and productive. And so we just want to make sure that people are at a place in their own journey to be able to receive that well and to be able to participate in.

Kristin Fry 

Oh, sure.

Lauren Settembrini

You know, well. And so we will take, we will take 20, most of the time if a candidate is coming to me and they're 19, 20, they're kind of right on the line, like I'll probably want to talk to somebody, some references and just really get a sense of like their spiritual maturity and you know, what they've walked through so far to make sure that worship school is the right thing for them at that time. So yeah, so that is kind of one consideration that we have, that we work with.

Kristin Fry 

Yeah.

Lauren Settembrini

Yeah, I mean, in terms of our target demographic, we serve leaders and welcome leaders who are serving at churches of all different sizes. And honestly, even all different denominational backgrounds. Like we are not affiliated with a particular denomination. And so it gives us the ability to have some really deep, productive conversations with people who.

Have been raised differently and have different experiences. And even to the extent of like people who grew up in much more like traditional worship expressions in their churches, all the way to people who are, more charismatic expressions of worship. So we have students from all walks and it's one of the things I think is really beautiful about the expression of who 10KFAM is because so much of what we value is being able to see like.

Kristin Fry 

Really?

Lauren Settembrini

And walk with and hold and treasure like each human for what gift they carry, not because they agree with you on certain things or they disagree with you here or whatever. It's like we have to be able to have productive conversations with people who differ in our experience and our you know view on life and politics and all the things and that's not always easy obviously but like that's also kind of what we feel that's what that's what we're being called into or being called into ministry is being called into like loving people well and walking alongside them well and so

One of the ways that we model that is being very welcoming to people of different denominational backgrounds and affiliations and churches that have 5,000 on a Sunday and churches that have 200 on a Sunday. So there's no one is more valuable because they serve at a bigger church or a smaller church like you are doing kingdom work, you're doing kingdom work and that's it, period. So we're here to serve you and equip you and love you in that.

Kristin Fry 

Mm-hmm.

Right. I love that, especially for someone if someone's listening right now and they think, gosh, I'm not sure if my church is too small or my church is too liberal or my church is too conservative. But so that's very helpful. Thank you. Because there is no such thing as being too fill in the blank. Not a thing. So that's very, that's, yeah, that's very helpful. You said something earlier about, so when the students are in huddles, they have, I forget what you called it, either a coach or a mentor that walks a coach. Okay.

Lauren Settembrini

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Mm-mm. No, not in the kingdom.

A coach. Mm-hmm.

Kristin Fry

Who are those coaches? Where do they come from?

Lauren Settembrini

Yeah, yeah, so the coaches are previous grads. So a lot of the students who, especially like the students who are coming through worship school because they're going, okay, I've been a worship leader, I have lots of experience, I wanna be able to walk, like I wanna be able to coach people, mentor people, but I've just never learned how to do that. So we'll have people come through worship school specifically for the purpose of, I wanna be a coach one day. And so they'll come through, they'll do the whole 18 months.

Kristin Fry 

Oh!

Lauren Settembrini

And then most of our coaches do, because of our master's level accreditation, we really tried for the majority of our coaches, certainly the majority of our teachers, to have those kind of masters, like higher education degrees. And so many of our coaches are, they're all graduates. They, most of them have some kind of either a spiritual direction license or whatever, or like an actual master of arts and worship degree, or an M.Div or whatever.

And most of them are also full-time in ministry themselves. And so they're just a little further down the road than the people in their huddle that they're coaching. But the thing about, the way that we talk about our coaches is we're not, it's not that we're putting people in a position of being a coach because they like, have all the answers or whatever. It's not that at all. It's just, there's such beauty in...

In having access to someone like that who is committing for a season to being fully present with you and walking with you and processing with you and helping you hear the voice of the Lord in your journey and, you know, be discerning and all this kind of like invite you challenge you love you, you know, all these kinds of things. So yeah, our coaches are the simple answer is their alumni, their alumni who have a heart for what we do. And they're just like, yes, I was transformed by this.

Kristin Fry 

Yes.

Okay, yep.

Lauren Settembrini

I want to be a coach. That's my story. I went through, I was like, yes, I want to be a coach. Please sign me up. And it's a big commitment, but it's also big, it's a big life change and it's long lasting fruit that happens on the other side of it. So it's worth it.

Kristin Fry

Yes, yes. Okay, you just touched on the question that I've been sitting on since the beginning because you went through as a student first before you ever got into this role and ever worked as the executive director, ever worked as a coach or sat as a coach. So think back to your time as a student for someone who is listening to this and thinking, gosh, maybe I'll consider sending my worship pastor or for a worship pastor listening, like,

Lauren Settembrini

Yeah.

Kristin Fry 

Give one or two things that you specifically walked away with and how that transformed your life.

Lauren Settembrini

Oh, that's so good. Oh, putting myself back in my worship school days. Man, I think one of the things that was true for me and that honestly is the consistent response we get from the vast majority of our alumni is what I came into it experiencing was this richness of community like I had never found before. I had just never been in a situation where like here was a group of

Kristin Fry

Yes, yes, yes.

Lauren Settembrini

Six other people and a leader who was full of wisdom and who was committing to being present to me and to listening to my journey and to like holding space for me and helping me process. Like that's so rare, that kind of connection and that kind of just intimate community is something that's really hard to find these days. And I think something that we all really deeply long for because it's wired into who we are as humans, right? Like...

Kristin Fry

Right oh gosh yes

Lauren Settembrini

This need for community. So I think that was the biggest thing that I experienced in it. The funny thing is I think a lot of people don't go into it thinking, like some people will go, I know I need community, you know, but they don't really get it. Like they don't know what they're missing because they haven't really experienced it yet. And once you get a taste, you're like, oh my gosh, like this is the sweetest and most wonderful thing ever. I can't believe I ever thought it was okay to lead, to try to lead without this, you know? And so that was a big.

Kristin Fry

Hmm. Anyway.

Lauren Settembrini

That was a big part of my journey and a big part of the thing that I walked away valuing. And then I think on a more personal level for me, it was, I was dealing with so much, I was in my mid-20s, mid to late 20s, I was dealing with so much anxiety in my life. Just like, I mean, like medicated, you know, panic attack, like I was just dealing with so much anxiety. And...

to the point where like it was, I just, I remember having thoughts of like, this cannot be what, this cannot be what my, the rest of my life is supposed to look like. Like this, this something's gotta shift. I can't do this forever. And I just knew, like I didn't know what the answer was. I just knew that like whatever the way that I was operating and moving through life was, did not seem life-giving to me. It was actually incredibly anxiety-inducing and that something had to shift. And what I found was,

Kristin Fry

Hmm.

Lauren Settembrini

being brought into this space and into this community where there was such a level of safety, but also so many tools of like, look, I don't know if you've ever processed the lies that you have believed about your life growing up and the truth that the Lord speaks over you. Have you done listening prayer? And I just never done that kind of soul work before, honestly, and it was the thing that like...

It's like I wasn't fully in touch with myself and who the Lord had created me to be. And I just needed like, I needed community to help unlock that and stir that up. And so it just, that's, I look back at like who I was before worship school and I honestly like, I barely recognize who I was beforehand. Cause my life, my life, like my literal every day way that I go through life.

Kristin Fry

Yes.

Lauren Settembrini

looks and feels, I experience it so much differently because I feel so much more freed up inside and in like who I am, who God has designed me to be. And like, I'm able to now like look at other people, other women in worship space and go like, you're not my competition. There's no jealousy here. It's fine. I like, right? Like it just makes you be such a healthier like human and healthier leader and just like, you just walk in that confidence and it's just so freeing and so...

Kristin Fry

Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes.

Lauren Settembrini

There's just like a piece in it that I never had before. So yeah, that was my experience and I'm so, so grateful for it. And I love getting to be on the front lines seeing the same exact things happening in leaders who come to us like all the time. Amazing, it's amazing.

Kristin Fry

Yes, oh my gosh, I bet. I bet, that's incredibly powerful. Okay, so then that brings me to the last question, logistically, then okay, so someone's listening and they're like, okay, well, I want what Lauren has. I need that. So I need that in my life. So it's a two-part question. How do they, do they have to apply for worship school? And then what is the timeline for that? Like I'm assuming there's actual start and stop.

Lauren Settembrini

Hahaha

Kristin Fry

Dates to worship school.

Lauren Settembrini

Yes. There are, yes. Okay, great. Yes, logistics and practicalities. Here we go. I love this. So yes, so we kick off worship schools only twice a year. We kick them off once in the spring and once in the fall. So we are actually in our recruiting cycle right now. Our next intensive is happening April 15th through the 19th in Colorado Springs, or again, online. You don't have to come on site. So April 15th through the 19th.

Kristin Fry

Yep.

Lauren Settembrini

We will be recruiting until probably mid to late March. We can be pretty flexible on, we don't have like a hard, hard cutoff on when we stop accepting applications. There is an application, it is on our website, 10kfam.org. If you go there, you can read more about the worship school, how it works. There's even a PDF of some curriculum stuff that you can get a sense of. But there's an application process, it's fairly straightforward, it's asking.

Your history, how'd you hear about us, why do you wanna do worship school? Tell us about some of your strengths and weaknesses. And then we do ask for a pastoral reference and then a video of you leading, singing. Doesn't have to be like an actual church service. You can literally just record a video of singing into your phone. We're just trying to gauge musicality. So yeah, so there's an application. It's free to apply. And then we try to process that very quickly. So yeah, so we'll kick off in April.

And then our next kickoff would be in the fall in October. I'm, I don't wanna, I think it's October 20th through 24th, but it's, our next kickoff is October. So it's twice a year, you get the opportunity to jump in to that year and a half journey. And then you're basically coming, the intensives are we have everyone who's at any point in the journey. So like track one, track two, track three, grads, like everybody comes on site together for, you know, those two intensives that happen each year. So you're getting to meet not only the people in your own class,

Kristin Fry

Okay.

Lauren Settembrini

People who are six months a year, 18 months ahead of you in the journey, which is really cool. So yeah, I would encourage you to apply. And of course, if you have questions, I'm also happy to help answer any of those. There's a contact us form on the website as well. If you fill that out, it will come directly to me. And happy to talk to somebody over the phone or text or whatever to help answer some of those questions. But.

Kristin Fry

Oh.

Lauren Settembrini

Yeah, I would encourage you to consider it. Especially if you're a leader who either feels like you need a little bit more equipping or you're in ministry, you feel a little stuck or you just need some more tools. You want community. There's so many reasons to do worship school. I've literally never had anyone do worship school and be like, man, that was a waste of time. Gosh, really regret that. No, everyone's like, oh my goodness, I had no idea this would be so transformative. So would definitely encourage you to, come on. We'd love to have you. It'd be fun.

Kristin Fry

Yes.

Hahaha

That's perfect. Gosh, that's so helpful. So if you're driving in your car right now,10kfam.org when you stop when you are at your destination and it is safe, you will link will link in the in the podcast notes as well. So that way you can have access to but thank you, Lauren. Thank you so much. I mean, it makes me wish that I, you know, had worship in my background that I could have gone through worship school.

Lauren Settembrini

Thank you.

Hey, we are, this is all another podcast, but we are very seriously considering opening it up in the fall to non-musicians and non-worship leaders because so much of our content is actually not specific to music. So much of it's the spiritual formation, discipleship, all leadership development. So like maybe one day, Kristin, maybe one day you can come to worship school too.

Kristin Fry

Oh, okay. Yes. Okay. Gosh, that that's like a, that's a, that's good Intel right there. Okay. So that could potentially that we just may have just revealed a sneak peek. So gosh, thank you. Anyway, thank you for having the conversation. I hope this has been helpful to people. We really, really appreciate it.

Lauren Settembrini

Ministry school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One day.

I know. Thank you so much, Kristin. Really enjoy the opportunity.